The Nukes,
Since it is in the News everywhere, I thought I should blog this issue too. Not all the stuff (statements or the conspiracy theories) I mention here are my guesses and opinions and I will periodically remind you that also.
I was talking to O.F#1 and since he had studies in sciences it makes sense know his opinion. His first statement was that "they [gov] haven't done anything about sciences no investment in research no financial assistance to the students so how the hell they can claim that its for the scientific purposes"
(In Iran the Universities are free although there are semi private universities, but cost of living is high for people who have jobs never mind the students)
Well it’s a good point but I reminded him that "well Iran is actually in growing need of energy and one of the positive aspects of nuclear energy is that its environmentally friendly, and also whether we are the forth largest exporter of fossil fuel (crude oil to be more specific but Iran does have the 2nd largest gas reserve in the world as well) is completely irrelevant to the development of other sources of energy. Its like telling they Americans you possess the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons and as history has shown (the very recent history, since freakin Reagan) you have this sadistic tendency to invade countries, so you have to stop manufacturing chemicals for fertilizers."
Then he countered me "it cannot be that for peaceful purposed, the government is surely violating the NPT obligations the have suspended surprise visitation of the IAEA inspectors and there was a report from the same agency that measurements of the radioactivity in one of the sites was three times the percentage needed for a reactor."
For sake of international treaties I do hope that Iran does not follow the example of U.S. and Israel, by violating its obligation, but there is no way I could be sure, the Iranian Government has failed to include me in mailing list of briefings and the memos (I think it’s the blog) but I replied that "the surprise visits are not part of the NPT, Iranian Government under Khatami The useless signed and additional protocol (Why? Why?...) as a reassuring measure to the English (the ENGLISH) and the French (remember the Bikini Islands underwater test) and the Germans (as if they are not out biggest european economic partner) furthermore the Russians confirmed that the equipments that they have sent to Iran were contaminated" (I think after the whole "Crisis" is over we should take'em to court)
But he made a point that, " we are saying that Nuclear Energy is needed for development of industry, but Iran is not making a single engine in Iran they are all French, Korean and British models that they just press over here, there is no designing of new products here [Iran]" (there is a little bit of military stuff but they are made based on the Russian, Chinese and N. Korean models that no body is fiddles around with there design, which might be a good thing when explosives are concerned)
That’s a point to take to heart, why only development in order to create international confrontation (even if its is our right) I don't mean we should be like the British (Blair to be more precise and more fair) who follow the Yanks like trained pet, we should aim for technologic progress and regional security (because no one is going to help Iran if there is a war, remember the 80's) No we should aim for progress if there is cooperation everyone benefits and if there is confrontation then the people would be more likely to rally around our position on that given issue because of benefits that they have received. Regional crisis perpetuated by an outside power (and Israel) can be good for Iran if the right moves are made. But when gov is pissing the people outside and neglects the people inside, then situation and crisis are bad for the whole country and should be avoided like the plague.
The internet connection of the Café is broken off so I'm gonna rant a bit more and then paste it on the blog;
Tehran is the middle of a bowl, mountains all around the tall and jaged Alborz Mountains are in the north , the city has a slope from north to south which make the air in the north much better and the properties more expensive and all the people would go "up north for a bit off relaxation" We went to North Tehran the Jamshidieh Park and on the way down the cabbie and we were talking about bad habits of the different regions of Iran, People of Shiraz are jealous, Abadan People are bluffers, the Isfahan People are stingy (I feel that its completely false) the Taxi driver said: the Qom (the host of the Shiaa school of Theology and a shrine of someone) people are "Candle thieves"
I asked him what does it mean to be a "Candle thieves" and he replied; "the Donkeys that go to the shrine every Thursday night to prey and ask for whatever problem thy have to be solved lit candles, then the Qomis go and put out the candles and sell it to them again."
I asked him what about people of Tehran and he said "they are friendly and big spenders" I asked him where are you from and he said "of course Tehran, but I'm not saying it because I'm from here" he went on to tell us he is from Jamaran.
(Jamaran is the place where Khomeini lived in after consolidation of the power by the Islamic Republican Party, its in north of Tehran its near one of the Palace complexes of the Shah –Sa'ad Abad and 45 minutes drive to the Niavaran Palace also)
We asked him if he still lives there and he said: "no they offered us 20,000Toman per meter to build a hospital for him" (20,000 toman is 200,000 rial the Public has droped a zero from the money but they governments have kept the rial for a good 40 years)
We asked if they took the offer, and he said: "of course we didn't want to be his neighbor."
All right that’s enough about That I should Clarify that in Iran a person who excels in stupidity is called a donkey, it is the universal animal for stupidity but overhere ou ha e to be really stupid to be called a donkey or an Ollagh.
I said stupidity and was reminded of the Democratic Party of U.S.; as far as the Democratic Party is concerned their symbol is actually a Jackass; since Andrew Jackson was called one during the election and went on to win it. So they kept it as the symbol.
I was talking to O.F#1 and since he had studies in sciences it makes sense know his opinion. His first statement was that "they [gov] haven't done anything about sciences no investment in research no financial assistance to the students so how the hell they can claim that its for the scientific purposes"
(In Iran the Universities are free although there are semi private universities, but cost of living is high for people who have jobs never mind the students)
Well it’s a good point but I reminded him that "well Iran is actually in growing need of energy and one of the positive aspects of nuclear energy is that its environmentally friendly, and also whether we are the forth largest exporter of fossil fuel (crude oil to be more specific but Iran does have the 2nd largest gas reserve in the world as well) is completely irrelevant to the development of other sources of energy. Its like telling they Americans you possess the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons and as history has shown (the very recent history, since freakin Reagan) you have this sadistic tendency to invade countries, so you have to stop manufacturing chemicals for fertilizers."
Then he countered me "it cannot be that for peaceful purposed, the government is surely violating the NPT obligations the have suspended surprise visitation of the IAEA inspectors and there was a report from the same agency that measurements of the radioactivity in one of the sites was three times the percentage needed for a reactor."
For sake of international treaties I do hope that Iran does not follow the example of U.S. and Israel, by violating its obligation, but there is no way I could be sure, the Iranian Government has failed to include me in mailing list of briefings and the memos (I think it’s the blog) but I replied that "the surprise visits are not part of the NPT, Iranian Government under Khatami The useless signed and additional protocol (Why? Why?...) as a reassuring measure to the English (the ENGLISH) and the French (remember the Bikini Islands underwater test) and the Germans (as if they are not out biggest european economic partner) furthermore the Russians confirmed that the equipments that they have sent to Iran were contaminated" (I think after the whole "Crisis" is over we should take'em to court)
But he made a point that, " we are saying that Nuclear Energy is needed for development of industry, but Iran is not making a single engine in Iran they are all French, Korean and British models that they just press over here, there is no designing of new products here [Iran]" (there is a little bit of military stuff but they are made based on the Russian, Chinese and N. Korean models that no body is fiddles around with there design, which might be a good thing when explosives are concerned)
That’s a point to take to heart, why only development in order to create international confrontation (even if its is our right) I don't mean we should be like the British (Blair to be more precise and more fair) who follow the Yanks like trained pet, we should aim for technologic progress and regional security (because no one is going to help Iran if there is a war, remember the 80's) No we should aim for progress if there is cooperation everyone benefits and if there is confrontation then the people would be more likely to rally around our position on that given issue because of benefits that they have received. Regional crisis perpetuated by an outside power (and Israel) can be good for Iran if the right moves are made. But when gov is pissing the people outside and neglects the people inside, then situation and crisis are bad for the whole country and should be avoided like the plague.
The internet connection of the Café is broken off so I'm gonna rant a bit more and then paste it on the blog;
Tehran is the middle of a bowl, mountains all around the tall and jaged Alborz Mountains are in the north , the city has a slope from north to south which make the air in the north much better and the properties more expensive and all the people would go "up north for a bit off relaxation" We went to North Tehran the Jamshidieh Park and on the way down the cabbie and we were talking about bad habits of the different regions of Iran, People of Shiraz are jealous, Abadan People are bluffers, the Isfahan People are stingy (I feel that its completely false) the Taxi driver said: the Qom (the host of the Shiaa school of Theology and a shrine of someone) people are "Candle thieves"
I asked him what does it mean to be a "Candle thieves" and he replied; "the Donkeys that go to the shrine every Thursday night to prey and ask for whatever problem thy have to be solved lit candles, then the Qomis go and put out the candles and sell it to them again."
I asked him what about people of Tehran and he said "they are friendly and big spenders" I asked him where are you from and he said "of course Tehran, but I'm not saying it because I'm from here" he went on to tell us he is from Jamaran.
(Jamaran is the place where Khomeini lived in after consolidation of the power by the Islamic Republican Party, its in north of Tehran its near one of the Palace complexes of the Shah –Sa'ad Abad and 45 minutes drive to the Niavaran Palace also)
We asked him if he still lives there and he said: "no they offered us 20,000Toman per meter to build a hospital for him" (20,000 toman is 200,000 rial the Public has droped a zero from the money but they governments have kept the rial for a good 40 years)
We asked if they took the offer, and he said: "of course we didn't want to be his neighbor."
All right that’s enough about That I should Clarify that in Iran a person who excels in stupidity is called a donkey, it is the universal animal for stupidity but overhere ou ha e to be really stupid to be called a donkey or an Ollagh.
I said stupidity and was reminded of the Democratic Party of U.S.; as far as the Democratic Party is concerned their symbol is actually a Jackass; since Andrew Jackson was called one during the election and went on to win it. So they kept it as the symbol.
posted by The Hopeful Cynic at 10:38 AM
2 Comments:
Hey Amir! We just got DSL here at the compound, so checking mail is finally possible, and quick enough to permit looking at Blogs. This was an interesting entry. I am surprised to hear that there is so much scepticism in Iran about the Nuclear Development issue. I'll have to go back and read through the earlier entries to see who Old Friend #1 is :D Cheers and hope all's well.
Pat
Actually the point is not that the people are sceptics but that they are so frustrated that # 1 the govrnment cannot do even a good thing (The instances of which are few and far between) without getting the Damnation of the Nation.
and # 2 the investement and promotion of the technologies are very selective
# 3 The fear of people from a crisis developing from the nuclear issue and result in an Anglo-American conspiracy (coming in all directions form Baluch (southeast, very disorganized small nationalist) Arabs (south west, few in numbers and the result of an arab uprising in Iranian society would make sponsoring of it by the outsiders very unlikely) Kurd (west, thats nothing new but there is a lot of Trained fighters who have gone to northern Iraq) and the Azaris (north west, they gain very little in disturbing the system, they have a great share of the economy and are part of the ruling presidents faction and the liberal ones are all in the Academia and schools)
anycase
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